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CMOs on 2024: Asahi's Grant McKenzie on the evolution of beer marketing
In an exclusive podcast interview for WARC’s Marketer’s Toolkit, Grant McKenzie, Chief Marketing Officer, Europe and International at Asahi, talks to WARC’s Anna Hamill about sports sponsorship, media fragmentation, moving on from gender stereotypes, and the impact of climate change on the beer industry.
- In the current climate, marketers should avoid changing their premium when it's not necessary and be wary of falling into the trap of striving to make products cheaper as this is not always in line with consumer priorities.
Listen to the episode in full here
Timestamps
01:47 – Grant’s role at Asahi.
02:49 – How is inflation impacting your consumers?
06:28 – How do these pressures affect your decision making process?
09:10 – How is Asahi telling the story of elevated experiences in their marketing?
10:51 – The growth of non-alcohol beer.
14:09 – Evolving approach to targeting.
19:43 – How important is sports sponsorship in your strategy?
27:59 – Should brands comment on political issues?
30:27 – Key challenges brought about by climate change.
32:57 – Do you think marketing plays an important role in telling your sustainability story?
36:51 – Media and tech investment at Asahi.
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Toolkit: Marketers gear up for a brighter 2024
Despite very real concerns about the economy, the majority of marketers around the world are optimistic and expect business to be better next year than this, according to a new WARC report.
The Voice of the Marketer 2024 is a deep dive into The Marketer’s Toolkit survey data of 1,400+ marketers worldwide.
Key findings
- Marketers are optimistic despite economic worries
Two-thirds (64%) of marketers indicated that economic recession will have the biggest impact on marketing strategies in 2024, while 41% highlighted inflation and the cost-of-living crisis.
Yet almost two-thirds of marketers (61%) expect that business will improve next year and 41% believe that marketing budgets will increase. In Europe and North America, just over a third expect budgets to be higher in 2024 (37% and 35% respectively). In contrast, half of marketers (50%) in APAC expect budgets to grow next year.
It would also appear that more marketers understand that maintaining or even increasing investment in brand marketing can be effective in navigating economic downturns.
- TikTok and YouTube up, X down
Marketers are planning to increase investments in online video (+66% net sentiment), social media +59%), and mobile (+51%), with spend expected to decrease in traditional channels like print (-41%), TV (-16%) and cinema (-13%).
TikTok and YouTube are the platforms expected to receive the biggest increases in marketing spend in 2024. A third of marketers (31%) expect to decrease investments in X, while far fewer anticipate increasing investment in the metaverse (just 11%, compared to 47% last year).
The advice to marketers is to diversify media investments and monitor new opportunities whilst safeguarding a brand’s reputation.
- Brands struggle to keep pace with evolving measurement
Four in ten (39%) marketers globally identified measurement as a top concern for 2024, increasing to 48% among those based in North America. Yet very few (4%) use all available marketing measurement methods in combination (brand lift studies, econometrics/MMM, experiments and attribution) and one-fifth (22%) admitted to not utilising any form of modelling.
Over half (54%) of marketers view brand metrics (e.g. awareness, consideration, purchase intent) as having the greatest impact on their marketing strategy, above ROI (44%), sales (36%) and market penetration (34%).
The advice to marketers is to evaluate the different measurement tools available and incorporate different measurement techniques for a holistic view of marketing activities.
A complimentary sample of The Voice of the Marketer 2024 is available to read here. The full report is available to WARC members. It follows the recent release of The Marketer’s Toolkit 2024, a report analysing the five key trends that will disrupt the marketing industry in the coming year: political polarization, the potential of generative AI, masculinity in crisis, “sportswashing”, and community-based sustainability.
Both reports are part of WARC Strategy’s The Evolution of Marketing program, designed to help marketers address major industry shifts to drive effective marketing. A third report, The Future of Media, will be released in January. Complementing the reports, a series of podcasts are also available.

P&G undertakes ‘superiority’ reset
FMCG giant Procter & Gamble is resetting its ‘superiority’ criteria in order to avoid inertia, according to its CFO.
Context
- P&G has for several years now been focused on a superiority strategy, whereby innovative products are backed by investment in marketing to deliver value for both consumers and retailers.
- “We were very concerned about inertia that could set in … when we’ve gone from 30% of our product portfolio being superior to now 80% being superior,” CFO Andre Schulten told the Morgan Stanley Global Consumer & Retail Conference.
The reset
- Accordingly, the company has decided to “sharpen the criteria for what we consider superior” in the categories in which it operates.
- “We [have] basically reset that 80% superiority down to between 20% and 30%, depending on the category and the region,” said Schulten. “And we’ve introduced incremental criteria into the innovation and the consumer design process to sharpen the thinking in each of the categories.”
What it means
- Products should be “so superior that when you use them for the first time, you are clear that it’s the best possible solution you could purchase,” Schulten explained.
- “That will trigger the desire to share that experience, it will trigger repeat loyalty, but it will also trigger what we believe is social media buzz and, therefore, word of mouth.”
- Environmental sustainability is being “integrated into the superiority vectors” that consumers consider; given a choice of a product that works for them or one that is more environmentally sustainable, “they will prefer the solution that has both elements without a trade-off”.
Putting it all together
“Our belief is that the combination of superiority when combined with pricing yields a better outcome from a volume standpoint – and that’s what we’re seeing,” Schulten said.
Sourced from Seeking Alpha

ChatGPT won’t be replacing market researchers soon
ChatGPT is superior when it comes to speed but there are oversights and problems with accuracy, finds a study that used the AI tool to devise a survey and compared this to a human-generated one.
The 10-minute online market survey – which included tasks such as setting objectives, sampling, targeting, research and analysis – was used to compare allergy brand Claritin to other seasonal, over-the-counter medications.
Why AI research matters
Artificial intelligence (AI) tools are changing the way that companies do business. As an industry that uses technology, it’s inevitable that market research is changing too. The tools are evolving...
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A quarter of open-web programmatic spending is wasteful or unproductive
Client-side marketers can pick up $22bn in efficiency gains by rethinking their approach to programmatic spending, confirms a study from the ANA.
The ANA’s Programmatic Media Supply Chain Transparency Study* is a comprehensive follow-up to its First Look report published in June, which flagged a potential $20bn in savings.
Key findings
- Transaction costs (primarily DSP and SSP fees) account for 29% of the ad dollar.
- Loss of media productivity costs (non-viewable and IVT impressions as well as non-measurable for viewability and Made for Advertising ad spend) account for 35% of the ad dollar.
- Depending on the levels of agency fees (a transaction cost) and brand safety (a loss of media productivity cost) – both beyond the scope of the ANA project – the study suggests that less than 36 cents of every dollar effectively reaches the consumer.
Recommendations
- A re-evaluation of Made for Advertising websites could save marketers $10bn.
- A further $12bn comes from a raft of other recommendations, including:
- website optimization/reduction – use inclusion lists;
- buying through direct inventory supply paths;
- having direct contracts with primary supply chain partners (DSPs, SSPs, and ad verification vendors);
- having an SSP optimization strategy;
- understanding information asymmetry in programmatic advertising and taking more active stewardship of media investments;
- understanding when an agency is purchasing as an agent versus selling;
- inventory on a non-transparent basis or that has been acquired as a principal;
- keeping media agency contracts updated;
- understanding the types of Private Marketplaces (PMPs) bought from and considering allocating more budget towards Open Marketplaces (OMPs).
- improving transparency by optimizing measurability and viewability;
- having a proactive plan to fight invalid traffic (IVT);
- leveraging log-level data;
- aligning incentives with goals, measuring and optimizing effectiveness.
Analysis
Each of the recommendations varies in complexity and applicability, meaning each needs to be understood and considered, says Pranay Damji, programmatic and ad-tech consultant for ID Comms. Implementing an inclusion list is fairly quick and easy, for example, while accessing log-level data from every ad tech vendor across an advertiser’s supply chain is much more complex, costly, and time consuming.
“The real challenge for advertisers is not what to do [the report provides plenty of guidance in that regard], the challenge is to know where to start,” he told WARC.
* Twenty-one marketers and 12 supply chain companies participated in the study. Total ad spend was $123m with 35.5 billion impressions. Qualitative interviews supplemented the quantitative work.
Sourced from ANA

Brands can tap India’s e-sport sector
E-sport is gaining ground in India, and while it’s not about to challenge cricket as the nation’s sporting passion, it could soon overtake some other traditional sports in popularity.
Context
In India, as elsewhere, gaming has become a mainstream activity. In parallel, e-sports consumption has grown, as games publishers invest to maximise interest. But one of the biggest games, BGMI (Battlegrounds Mobile India), was temporarily banned by the government amid security concerns because players were interacting with servers in China.
That was a problem for the sector, as the founder of e-sports streaming platform Loco told afaqs!: “What cricket is for Indian sports culture, BGMI is for Indian e-sports culture.”
Why e-sport in India matters
With the lifting of the ban earlier this year, and the development of newer game categories in the interim, e-sports have picked up and viewership of tournaments is reported to be third in sport overall. Brands have a unique opportunity to reach and engage with this audience.
Takeaways
- There are some 440 million online gamers in India, with around a quarter of that number playing frequently.
- A 2023 survey by Loco found almost half of respondents spent over an hour per game-playing session and that there is a growing willingness to pay for better quality gaming experiences.
- Loco reports success with pay-per-view e-sports tournaments, but adds that frequency needs to be managed carefully and that leagues and franchises are the way forward.
- Mumbai is a hub for gaming houses: gaming companies find it easier to cut brand deals in the city, plus the presence of servers of popular games reduces latency time.
Key quote
“I believe, in some years, e-sports could surpass the viewership numbers of Kabaddi as it continues to solidify its status … e-sports can become the second largest sport in India in 3-5 years” – Ashwin Suresh, founder, Loco.
Sourced from afaqs!, Economic Times

The future of games is social
Games are the social networks of the future, Stuart Canfield, CFO at Electronic Arts, believes.
“They are social, expressive, they need people to connect and share experiences,” he told a Nasdaq investor conference call. “You only have to think about social media three or four years ago, and how games are slowly navigating to that path,” he added.
Context
While gamers these days come from all ages, it is Gen Z and Gen Alpha who will determine the sector’s future direction. “They’re going to be the largest generations in history, they are the most socially expressive, they are the most engaged and they take entertainment as their primary form,” Canfield noted.
Why gaming matters
Gaming is about far more than play, Canfield observed: “seventy-five percent of our audience today engage outside of play. They’re either watching, reading, writing, commenting, creating.”
The aim for EA is to harness that community, to keep it engaged and to monetise it in different ways – including advertising and partnerships with iconic brands such as Marvel and Star Wars.
Takeaways
- The big titles are getting bigger and more time than ever is spent in games.
- Mobile is an increasingly important platform for the industry, enabling players like EA “to continue to scale and reach in certain geographies, which represent an under-penetration for us today”.
- Creating opportunities for user-generated content “both enriches the engagement and a community and, by default, creates economic and monetisation opportunities for us”, said Canfield.
Sourced from Seeking Alpha
[Image: EA]

Aggressive pricing gives Temu advantage over competition
Temu, Pinduoduo’s international arm, is the Chinese e-commerce company with ambitions across western markets that go beyond its local rivals.
Why Temu matters
Since launching in the US in September 2022, Temu’s international expansion has continued apace in response to an e-commerce slowdown in China.
A costly exercise for the company, this drive has been a boon for digital media as Temu and rival Shein are thought to have hugely driven up spending on Meta.
Pinduoduo-owned Temu, in particular, is estimated to have spent $300m on launching its brand in the US in the first nine months of 2023, according to LatePost.
What’s going on
The Wall Street Journal reports on the market activity that has seen the company steal the crown of China’s most valuable e-commerce firm from Alibaba on the back of soaring revenues up 94% year-on-year.
- Known for low prices, its relationship with manufacturers has allowed it to cater to price-sensitive Chinese customers.
- Its aggressive pricing, an advantage it enjoys over Alibaba’s third-party marketplace-focused Tmall, is helping it grow in new markets while following a similar path to profitability as in its native market.
- The trouble is that the costs of doing business are much higher elsewhere, with vital aspects like delivery and online marketing significantly more expensive outside China, especially as it begins to compete with Shein in the US for the same price-sensitive dollar.
- It’s not going to be easy. The rise of platforms like Shein that sell at extremely low prices has drawn some scrutiny as to the ethics of the products sold on these platforms. It’s likely that this will only intensify as they move into the mainstream.
Sourced from the Wall Street Journal, WARC, Nikkei Asia, CNBC

Creating cultural advantage with local brand stories
With Gen Z sceptical of corporations, brands need to level up to attract, engage or retain them as employees or customers, while enhancing creativity and innovation to tell brand stories that are authentic and culturally relevant.
Why cultural advantage matters
Creativity and storytelling are necessary for a powerful brand story, but marketers also need high-quality input that recognises cultural nuances – not old constructs or outdated themes and tropes – in order to create an unparalleled advantage.
Takeaways
- Culture is not a gimmick, and the right mindset will guide you to be inspired by culture and how your brand can contribute to it.
- Brand custodians have to be self-aware about limitations when gathering inputs for strategic/creative development processes.
- Be cognisant that convening cross-functional teams requires extra time to acclimate to different working style or thought process.
[Image: Raimond Klavins on Unsplash]

Amazon bags Aussie cricket rights
From January, Amazon Prime will have the broadcast rights in Australia for all men’s and women’s International Cricket Council (ICC) tournaments for the next four years.
Why it matters
The rights deal represents a major shift in the broadcasting landscape, as it is the most significant sports deal ever to go to a streaming service without an attached free-to-air partner, said the Sydney Morning Herald.
It’s a move reminiscent of Sky’s acquisition of cricket broadcast rights in the UK during the 1990s, which made immediate financial sense but which, its critics argued, endangered the long-term future of the sport by taking it out of the public eye. That won’t matter much to advertisers who will still be able to tap into a particular audience.
Context
Amazon’s deal, the value of which has not been disclosed, covers a total of 448 live games between 2024 and 2027. It is the fourth major broadcaster of cricket to Australian audiences, and the first that is entirely online.
- The announcement comes just days after the government said that major sporting events should be available on free-to-air services.
- “All Australians regardless of where they live, or what they earn, should have the opportunity to enjoy free TV coverage of iconic sporting events,” said communications minister Michelle Rowland.
- More than 2.1 million Aussie cricket fans tuned in to see the national team beat India in the recent ICC World Cup Final, including 1.6 million on the free-to-air Nine channel.
Sourced from Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald, Cricket Australia, The Full Toss
[Image: Cricket Australia]

Brands will have to explain their green disposal claims
UK consumers are broadly accepting of green disposal claims in ads, but new research shows how little they understand the differences between terms such as ‘compostable’ and ‘biodegradable’.
A qualitative study* by the Advertising Standards Authority examined the understanding of green disposal claims in advertising and found that there is a risk consumers have an oversimplified understanding of the terms used and how waste is disposed of.
Why green terminology matters
Ultimately, it’s all about transparency. Marketers may reach for a word like ‘biodegradable’ to reinforce their brand’s green packaging credentials, but if their understanding isn’t the same as consumers’, then confusion – or worse – can result.
Participants expressed anger and frustration when they learned that ‘biodegradable’ could refer to an unlimited timescale and that some products can release toxins upon degrading – not what many had initially thought as they equated the term with ‘compostable’.
‘Compostable’ was also widely misunderstood, generating a negative response when it was explained that such packaging needs to be taken to a council facility rather than put in a domestic compost bin.
“Businesses need to work a lot harder to explain the difference,” Miles Lockwood, director of complaints and investigations at the ASA, told the Guardian.
Takeaways
- People are proud of their efforts and see waste management as a way of “doing their bit” for the environment.
- Participants were most focused on how they dispose of waste at home, and felt it was unfair to ask them to do more outside the home, such as taking recycling to specific drop-off points.
- There were widespread calls for stronger transparency about the length of time a product that’s described as ‘biodegradable’ takes to degrade, as well as specific disposal risks.
- Participants also emphasised the importance of having clearer information on the disposal of product parts, as well as where products need to be taken to be responsibly thrown away.
* Consumer Understanding of Green Disposal Claims in Ads
Sourced from ASA

People can outpace generative AI with insights
As generative AI is relied on more heavily to glean insights from data, human strategists will need to figure out the things they can do that no AI tool can duplicate.
Why learning to work with AI matters
If generative AI hasn’t entered into your organization’s workflow – or your job – as of yet, it is likely inevitable, making it more important to understand what its strengths and weaknesses are, and then moving onto assessing innate and solely human strengths.
Takeaways
- Humans will never be faster, cheaper, or produce as much work as AI – mediocre though AI’s work...
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Gaming in prime cultural position in 2024
Gaming is primed to cement its position in culture and across screens in 2024 with the continued roll-out of TV and films inspired by games, but there will also be more gaming-aligned spaces, media opportunities and audiences in the coming year.
Why gaming matters for marketers
While in-game advertising isn’t a new space, a shift in conversation and culture – in parallel with a growing stable of immersive and impactful media inventory – has increasingly brought gaming into focus as a marketing channel for brands and agencies.
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How to navigate taboos in Asia with creativity
Campaigns in conservative Asian society that deal with taboos can use the STAR acronym – Setting, Tone, Avenues and Research – as a guide to navigating cultural differences and nuances that can skew interpretations.
Why navigating taboos matter
It is possible for a campaign to navigate taboos effectively if there are clear and measurable goals from the outset and marketers understand the operating landscape, use the right tone, do research and leverage the right channels.
Takeaways
- Humour can be an especially powerful tool in breaking tension and creating feelings of belonging.
- Even strong messages will fail to make an impact...
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Mental health among top 10 sustainability concerns in APAC
Mental health is a top 10 sustainability concern in Asia Pacific – rising to number seven in 2023 from 11th place in 2022 – as social and environmental concerns, including increasing poverty (#2), economic inequality concerns (#4), climate change (#1) and air pollution (#3) continue to worry all age groups and incomes in the region.
Kantar’s 2023 Sustainability Sector Index in APAC took its data insights from Australia, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Taiwan and Thailand.
Why sustainability matters
Businesses must become leaders in sustainability and work to solve the region’s growing environmental and social issues, shifting their current mindsets from sustainability as a cost and risk compliance, to one of value creation.
Key insights
- Mental health is now a top 10 concern in all markets surveyed across APAC except Indonesia.
- It is particularly critical in Australia (#1), the Philippines (#4) and Japan (#5).
- In developed markets like Australia and Japan (where inflation impacts mental health), poverty is also an important issue (ranked #4 for both).
- Poverty remains the top concern for developing countries Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippines, and ranks fourth in India.
- Nine in ten people in APAC want to live a sustainable lifestyle (88%) but only one third are actively changing their behaviour (34%).
- Six in ten are prepared to invest time and money to support companies that try to do good (58%).
- Over half seek ways to offset their impact on the environment (56%) and stop buying certain things due to their impact (52%).
- Particularly high levels of greenwashing are perceived across all sectors in APAC.
- An average of three in five people have seen or heard false/misleading info about sustainable actions taken by brands (60% vs 52% globally). It is highest in India (77%), the Philippines (76%) and Thailand (74%) but lowest in Japan (37%).
- Social media has the highest scores of greenwashing and social-washing, and it’s most associated with mental health issues.
Key quote
“The massive gap between intention and action hasn't gone away, which makes the role of companies to solve consumer sustainability tensions even more critical… Consistently high levels of perceived greenwashing and/or social washing across all sectors suggest that lack of trust is a big issue across the board” – Trezelene Chan, APAC Head of Sustainability, Kantar.
[Image: Total Shape from Unsplash]

Research shows how to win at the Super Bowl ad game
With a US audience of approximately 100 million, the Super Bowl can be a showcase for breakthrough creativity, but winning at the Big Game also means paying close attention to what has worked in the past – and four years’ worth of System1 research gives advertisers an idea of what success looks like.
Why past Super Bowl ads matter
From its expensive price tag – at $7 million for a 30-second ad – to the size, scope and game-day mindset of its audience, the Super Bowl is a unique yearly event and advertising moment. It requires advertisers to pay particularly close attention to what works within the game’s context.
Takeaways
- The highest-scoring Super Bowl ad of the last four years, according to System1 research, is “We got ya, baby” from diaper brand Huggies. One reason the commercial scored so well is that the brand is integral to the story.
- In a Super Bowl context, inclusivity can mean tapping into the collective consciousness, using celebrities and cultural touchstones that cut across a wide swath of a mass American audience.
- Brands with strong fluent devices that viewers can easily associate with a brand – like characters, sonic branding, logos, or other elements – should double-down on those.
- Even though employing branding early and often should be a Super Bowl advertising no-brainer, many advertisers fall into the trap of telling an emotionally moving, resonant story that leaves viewers guessing at what the brand is.
Key quote
“The Big Game is perhaps the only time of the year that some viewers actually tune in for the ads. But that doesn’t mean they’re being converted into customers, or even fans” – Andrew Tindall, global creative & media partnerships director, System1.
[Image: We Got Ya, Baby, Huggies]

Young fanbases are shaping the luxury industry
The luxury industry is undergoing a youth-led surge driven by a seismic demographic shift, with those over 50 not just the ones with premium spending power, and it’s ushering in an era that caters to emerging fanbases.
Demographic changes in luxury
Millennials and Gen Z have rapidly assumed their rightful place as shapers of emerging luxury – so much so that, in 2022, they accounted for nearly all of luxury market growth. It’s a trend towards precocious premium spending that is only becoming more pronounced with time, according to a recent report by Bain & Company.
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CMO focus shifts from sustainability to AI
Sustainability was a stated focus of marketers in 2023, but it is being pushed down the list of priorities for 2024 as CMOs turn their attention to implementing AI technology.
That’s according to the 2024 CMO Barometer from Germany’s Serviceplan Group, based on responses from 767 marketing decision-makers across 11 countries in Europe and the Middle East.
Key findings
When asked how important they think certain (prompted) marketing trends will be in the year ahead:
- 83% of CMOs identified AI, machine learning, and marketing automation as the biggest focus for 2024 (compared to 65% for 2023)
- 82% cited content creation
- 82% cited emotional branding
- 78% cited sustainability (compared to 85% for 2023, when it was the top priority).
Why marketing trends matters
CMOs face an increasingly complex marketing environment and are having to juggle multiple considerations. It will be important for them to not to lose sight of sustainability issues even as they grapple with the implications of AI.
Sourced from Serviceplan

WARC Talks: CMOs on 2024: Mondelez's Jon Halvorson on the future of CPG marketing
In an exclusive podcast interview for WARC’s Marketer’s Toolkit, Mondelez’s Global Senior Vice-President for Consumer Experience and Digital Commerce, Jonathan Halvorson, spoke to WARC’s Anna Hamill about pricing strategies through inflation, the artificial intelligence revolution, and brand purpose in a polarized world.
- If brands want to ultimately win in the CPG environment, they need to be very closely following their pricing and hitting key price points as well as investing in revenue growth management or RGM.
- Brands looking to win market share need to look firstly at winning in the digital commerce space, which is constantly adapting, and marketers must adapt with it.
- Brands that don't have a plan to be building their upper funnel assets through Gen AI over the next 1-2 years are going to lose.
Listen to the episode in full here
Timestamps
01:51 – Jonathan’s role at Modelez.
02:27 – What’s driving Mondelez’s optimistic growth?
03:37 – How has inflation affected Mondelez brands?
09:58 – Branding building in digital commerce.
14:39 – Brand purpose at Mondelez
19:52 – Media and technology priorities for Mondelez.
22:54 – How is Mondelez using Gen AI?
30:07 – New skill sets that future marketers will need.
33:13 – Sustainability challenges facing Mondelez.
Further reading
Why Mondelez’s bullish growth is driven by the strength of its brands

WW isn't rebranding, says the CEO
WW, the wellness brand formerly known as Weight Watchers, has changed tack again, moving into the new area of prescription weight-loss drugs, but CEO Sima Sistani rejects the idea that it’s rebranding for the second time in five years.
“I think of it less as rebranding and more that we should be changing, we should be evolving,” she told CNN. “You can’t be around for 60 years and still be the same thing – our whole world has shifted.”
A reappraisal
- Back in 2018, there was a definite rebrand as the company shifted from a diet-based business to a wellness-focused one and changed its name.
- The current move seems similarly significant, not least since it comes with an apology for past mistakes: “contributing to the shame” that some members would have felt if they followed a WW program but found it didn't work for them.
- “For many who are living with obesity, it’s a chronic condition, and therefore it is not a choice,” said Sistani. “We got it wrong: in the past, we’ve been treating these medications like it’s a vanity, and it’s not – it’s lifesaving.”
Why WW?
- While weight-loss drugs can be obtained from a doctor, patients won’t get the sort of package that WW will be offering.
- “Many doctors don’t have training in nutrition, obesity care management, and nor do they have the support system to basically help throughout the journey,” said Sistani.
Sourced from CNN
[Image: WW International]
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